In this post, we'll look at two of the records she created, both of which will help in our effort to discover and document the family ties of our immigrant ancestor, Joseph Meyer Schulte.
The first is Evelyn's list of deceased friends and relatives, shown below. Numbers 1-23 on the list, written in pencil, appear to have been the original list. The entries are not sequential, and the latest date in that portion of the list is 1963. Number 24, written in dark blue ink, was probably added in June 1964, as another list was started on the back of the paper in the same ink, noting the birth of a new family member about a week later. Numbers 25-28, in green ink, were probably added shortly after the death of Evelyn's husband, Rosmer P. Kerr, in 1969.
In the previous Schulte post, I listed some items needed to help further our work on Lizzie Hebert and her connection to the Schulte family, and Evelyn's list provides a clue for finding one of our needs, Lizzie Hebert's death certificate. Lizzie is number 13 in the list, and Evelyn noted that Lizzie's date of death was in 1963. Although not specific, this date is probably pretty accurate as far as it goes, being the latest date on the pencil portion of the list. We still hope to find Lizzie's grave with a date specific enough to send for the death certificate, and having this date will help to assure us we've found the right Lizzie Hebert in the event she's not buried with her husband Fred. And if we can't locate the grave, which is surely in Detroit, this approximate date may help us find a church record.
In the transcription below, my corrections and clarifications appear in brackets.
- Mr. Grosscup
- Mrs. Grosscup
- Allen Paarlburg [Allan Paarlberg]
- Mr. Paarlburg
- Clara Kerr - Mar 26, 1958
- Milton Kerr - Arp 3, '61 [Apr 3, 1961]
- Mamie Tracy - Feb 14, 58 [Feb 14, 1958]
- Harold Tracy - 1957
- Marselene [Marceline Koenig] - Aug 26, 1962
- Rilla [Aucoin] - Dec 27, 1962
- Arthur Meyer - Dec 1962
- Mr. Fred Hebert
- Mrs. Lizzie " [Hebert] - 1963
- Harry Kurtz
- Hugo Kurtz
- Hugo Son [?]
- Aunt Adda [Adda Isenberg Kerr 1869-1953]; Aunt Alice [Alice Kerr Howe 1869-1960]
- Miss Talbert [sp? Talbot, Talbut, Tallent]
- Warren Parker
- Paul North
- Mrs. Lewis
- Mrs. O'Toole
- Herman Stolzenfeldt
- Jim Sandercott - June 8, 1964
- Paul Koenig - Apr 19, 1966
- Elmer Schulte - Died 1968, Born Aug 1894
- Karl Parker - Feb 1, 1969, Born 1917 [died Jan 30, 1969, buried Feb 1, 1969]
- R. P. Kerr - Feb 9, 1969, Born Sept 30, 1892
- Hugo Prietz - 1967 [This entry was written on the back in green ink.]
I believe this record dates from early 1944, based on the page 2 address of her son-in-law, Karl Parker, who was then stationed at Camp Haan in California. Readers of this blog have already seen a Camp Haan letter from Karl dated February 1944. Two more addresses for Karl were added later to this book (see Images 11 & 12) when his unit relocated.
In Image 8, you'll see Evelyn's listing of Mrs. Fred Hebert at 13939 Rochelle in Detroit. This nicely ties up any doubt we might have had about whether Rosina Rorken, traveling companion of Maria Schulte Koenig, was actually the third of the Schulte sisters who were, according to Josephine Sandercott, nieces of Joseph Meyer Schulte. I had earlier assumed Rosina was going to stay with her son, Erich Roehrken. So much the better, for our purposes, that Rosina's stated destination, 13939 Rochelle, was the address of Lizzie Hebert. Surely these three, Rosina, Maria, and Lizzie, are the sisters Josephine spoke of. With this information, I am convinced that Joseph's niece Lizzie Schulte and Mrs. Fred Hebert are one and the same person.
Image 1(click any image to enlarge)
Josephine Staniewicz, Mary Allen, Al Kallil, Mary Czarneski, Mary Slawek
Image 2Mrs. Hazel Parker, Cpl. K.F. [Karl Franklin] Parker, Pvt. Harry Sandercock
PFC John T. Loftus, Pvt. Marvin S. Jackson, Mont Bowman
Image 3Mary (Marion) Cromor, Margarette Chandler, Catherine Olshefski, Martha Hakkinen, Dorothy Crawford
Jennie Calamia, Agnes Witkowski, Pearl Wherrett, Alberta Cornelious, Grace Bright
Image 4Viola Meyers, Julia Polka, Philliss Szzypinski, Dorothy Williams, Loretta Bennett
Irene Smith, Cecile Urkenik, Ione Lockwood, Merrel Bolyard, Martha Kapica
Image 5Earline Ziegler, Dorine Davis, Miriam Kinney, Nona Jones, Lois Knight
Willie H. Rouels, Isabel Earley, Susie Arnold, Josephine Anderson, Adda Carpenter
Image 6Mrs. E. Norling, Gladys-Elsie-(Butch), Hazel Murler, Ida Magneson, John Alef (Dad)
Emil Erickson, Leonard Chartier (Frenchy), Mrs. John Loftus, Mrs. L. Grosscup, Lilly Heaman
Image 7Mrs. Wm. Ross - Irene, Mrs. John Lyons, Leo Lyons, Mrs. H.W. Gould, Mamie Tracey [Tracy]
Mrs. Jos. Prince, Mrs. Milton E. Kerr, Mrs. Harry Kurtz, Carl & Blanche Schulte,
Jos. Sandercott
Image 8Lincoln Russell, Ted Schulte, Mrs. E. Oestman, Mrs. Jack O'Toole, Mickey McLean
Mrs. Elmer Schulte, Mrs. Fred Hebert, Mrs. E. McDonald, Mrs. L. Berg, Mrs. Wm. Bergman
Image 9Mrs. Laniewski, Mrs. Roy Urbin, Mrs. Ralph Seeley, Mr. & Mrs. Wiess [Weiss?],
Mrs. Louis Berg
Zona Gaulden, Lula Osborne, Jennette Duke, Beatrice Darrow, Elsie Siebert
Image 10Sarah Pittie, Pearl Wilsman, Minnie Grable, Eva Mae Jones, Verlie Bowling
Hettie Gibson, Mrs. Jessie Keatton, Mrs. Pearl Hurlbut, Marceline Koenig
Image 11Mary Kerr, Helen Lanewski [Laniewski?], Mrs. Hazel Parker
Corp. Karl F. Parker, PFC John Loftus
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Readers may have noticed that some of the listings above include phone numbers which, at that time, began with two letters. For a list of Detroit telephone exchanges and lots of other interesting Detroit trivia, visit Detroit Memories. Phone exchanges are listed in the sidebar a little more than halfway down the page. And you'll find a very informative telephone thread at Discuss Detroit.



5 comments:
What an interesting piece of memorabilia, T.K. I scanned each page hoping to find a connection with my family but couldn't do it. :-(
Great post!
Aw, Jasia, after finding out Paul and Marceline were cousins, I was thinking the world was a much smaller place! I guess I shouldn't be too surprised though, since Cheryl and I, only a month apart in age, grew up about 20 minutes from each other but never met until last year. By the way, in Image 8, that's Cheryl's grandmother listed right above Lizzie Hebert.
TK, isn't it amazing how something such as your grandmother's address book would be the clue that would cement our believe about the three Schulte sisters - Lizzie, Maria and Rosina? Little did your grandmother know how valuable her little book would be. She would be pleased for sure. This post is just awesome as is the whole series. The other day (in a rare moment of extra time) I re-read all your posts from day 1. Even though some of the people are unknown to me from your 'other' sides, they are so full of valuable information.
TK - More thoughts after going through some of MY records - I can verify for you that the address book of Evelyn most certainly dates back to the 1940's. When I saw my grandmother's listing with 11782 Engleside (and Evelyn only listed her as Mrs. Elmer Schulte-NOT Mr. & Mrs. Elmer), I at first thought it was a listing from after my grandfather had passed away in 1968. My grandparents lived at the time of my grandfather's death on Engleside as well but with my Aunt Gertie Kolberg (Ella's sister) and I mistakenly thought that 11782 was that address.
But back in the mid to late 1940's my grandparents did live at 11782 Engleside as Evelyn's book states (Aunt Gertie & Uncle Hugo Kolberg lived down the street a few blocks at 11550 Engleside). In fact when my parents were first married in 1946 they moved to Detroit and lived with my Dad's parents at 11782 Engleside (must have been fun, huh) so the listing in Evelyn's book of 11782 Engleside was most definitely that old.
Further proof is that also, in the early 1950's, my grandparents had a house built on Sprenger in East Detroit and they lived there for many, many years. That is the house I remember and only later in life did they move BACK to 11550 Engleside to live with Aunt Gertie when she was failing.
Great facts you have here for us to have fun with isn't it?
Thanks for the nice compliment, Cheryl, and also for adding the additional information. I found it very interesting. One of these days you and I will have to plot all of our Detroit people on a Google map, huh?
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