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Saturday, October 21, 2017

In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 1: Synergism in Research

This is a story about what happens when you share your research with an open hand.

Once upon a time--in fact it was April of 1989, about two years after I'd discovered the forms called Family Group Sheets and Pedigree Charts which set my fill-in-the-blanks mentality ablaze--I received a letter from a cousin I'd never met. (Odd, since we were just a month apart in age, and both grew up in the suburbs east of Detroit, and her grandfather was my mother's godfather... but I digress.)

You probably already know I'm talking about Cheryl (Two Sides of the Ocean). She'd already done considerable work on the line we had in common, that of Joseph Meyer Schulte, but had hit the brick wall in Germany. We corresponded a bit and shared what we knew, but both had other lines to work on which were more readily traced, so our contact, along with the Schulte research, languished until 2005.

My mother died in April of that year. Cheryl read her obituary and managed to track down my email address and re-establish contact with me. A lot had happened in the world of genealogy in the interim, and if that's not an understatement, I don't know what is. Probably everyone has a story to tell about how the advent of online research opened new doors for them.

In the intervening years, neither of us had learned any more about the German roots of the Schulte family. The only clue we had about their place of origin was something Cheryl found, the Masonic records of Joseph's son Rudolph, which gave his birthplace as Backen, Germany. However, there seemed to be no such place. As we traded emails on the subject, it occurred to Cheryl to ask a German cousin she'd met while researching another of her lines whether he knew anything of Backen.

She emailed Gerhard Kolberg and he soon replied:
I found two little towns near Muenster with names who are alike with [Backen]. These towns are "Borken" and "Beckum". Especially Borken is alike Backen if you write it with the old German letters called Suetterlin. This letters the most people used in the time till 1935.
With Gerhard's suggestion, Cheryl went to the Family History Library Catalog online and did a place search for Borkum. She emailed me with what she found:
...there are way too many records for Borken to break down as to where to start. Want to take a look? Let’s see if I can lead you there...

...then go to “place name” and type in “Borken” and then in the box below type in “Germany” and see how many records there are. We can try only the sites that say Borken, Westfalen, etc but still that would be reels and reels to order and scan. OK, I am going to take half of them and order them and start in on Monday looking – you can take the other half, ok? Ha!! Seriously, I wish we had a smidgen more information to help us feel comfortable in figuring out if this could be a possibility. What are your thoughts?

It looks like there are also Mormon-microfilmed records on the other similar sounding village of Beckum in Munster, Westphalen.
In an inspired moment that surprises even me, I thought to try looking up Joseph Meyer Schulte in the IGI to see whether the microfilms Cheryl mentioned might have been indexed. I found this:

6. JOSEPH SCHULTE - International Genealogical Index / GE
Gender: Male Christening: 09 FEB 1843 Sankt Stephan Katholisch, Beckum Stadt, Westfalen, Preussen
Although the father's name in this listing didn't match our expectations (Joseph's death certificate gives his father's name as Julius Schulte), both Cheryl and I were excited to find someone with the right name and birthdate in a place that sounded an awful lot like Backen. We shot emails back and forth that night at an alarming rate! More study of the IGI listings turned up additional Schulte entries and Hagedorn entries too.

Still, we wondered how to be sure this Joseph was our ancestor. I downloaded a GEDCOM of all the listings I thought were relevant, and wrote an email telling Cheryl how to do the same. As a last-minute thought, I added, "Hey, when you're going through the IGI again, notice if there are any Meyers or Myers... I didn't notice any, but I wasn't really looking." Since Joseph and many of his descendants had Meyer as a middle name, I thought if we could find people named Meyer in the same town, we couldn't possibly be on the wrong track.

Soon, Cheryl emailed me back:
WE DID IT!!!!! (I AM 99 99/100% SURE)

Your suggestion to look for Meyers or Myers did the trick. I have spent the last hour TRYING to download and my xxxxxxx pop up blocker is preventing me from doing so. I have turned it off and on – oh forget it for now, I am too excited and I printed out the records instead of downloading.

I went back thru the list as you suggested and looked for Meyers and guess what I found…..

4 records of children born to Johann Herman MEIER Schulte and Maria Gertrud Hagedorn – can you believe it. The children have the name MEIER in their surname and in one case hyphenated with Schulte. Now we have 6 children – 5 siblings for OUR Joseph (and, YES) I am more than ever convinced these are OUR family.
  • Joseph Schulte born 7 Feb 1843 son of Joh. Herm. Schulte and Maria Gertrud Hagedorn
  • Johann Theodor Schulte born 10 Jan 1846 son of Johann Hermann Schulte and Maria Gertrud Hagedorn
  • Maria Christina Meier Schulte born 6 Feb 1849 daughter of Johann Hermann Meier Schulte and Maria Gertrud Hagedorn
  • Louise Meyer Schulte born 9 Jan 1851 daughter of Johann Hermann Meyer Schulte and Maria Gertrud Hagedorn
  • Maria Gertrud Meyer Schulte born 22 Dec 1851 daughter of Johann Hermann Meyer Schulte and Maria Gertud (sp) Hagedorn (two babies in 1 year!)
  • Franz Meyer-Schulte (hyphenated) born 11 Dec 1853 son of Johan Hermann Meyer-Schulte and Maria Gertrud Hagedorn
With the three of us bringing our bits of knowledge and experience to the table, and with the gift of microfilming and indexing done by others, we not only enjoyed an exciting breakthrough in our research, but now had a new question, too:

Meyer-Schulte? What's that about?

In Part 2, we'll have a look at the microfilmed records and see what we can find out.

Below: Cheryl's first letter to me, 1989
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In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 2: The Mystery of Meyer-Schulte

1843 birth and baptism record of Joseph Schulte (click to enlarge)
After Cheryl and I located the German hometown of our common ancestor, Joseph Meyer Schulte, I ordered the Beckum microfilms from Salt Lake City and created a file in Family Tree Maker from the records I found. This database, Schulte and Others in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany, is available online at Rootsweb (and needs to be updated when I've finished entering the rest of the records I photographed from the Beckum films--someone ought to remind me to do that in, say, October. I should be recovered from this year's 'moving' experience by then!). Our great great grandfather's birth and christening were recorded in the Catholic churchbooks of Beckum. We had already known Joseph's birth date, which appeared on his death certificate. With that information, we had found the birth record indexed in the IGI, which also gave us Joseph's mother's name, so we were prepared for most of what we found in the churchbook entry. We were very interested, though, in the way Joseph's father was listed:
Joh. Herm. Schulte Weber vulgo Meier-Schulte
This entry shows that Joseph's father, Johann Hermann Schulte was a weaver [Weber] who was commonly known as [vulgo] Meier-Schulte. In the records of Joseph's siblings, their father's name was listed with or without the vulgo notation as Johann Hermann Meier Schulte, Meyer Schulte, or Meÿer Schulte (which I read as Meijer Schulte because, handwritten, it looks the same). Neither Cheryl nor I had run across anything like this in our previous German research. We pitched ideas back and forth, one after another, trying to guess how this anomaly might have come about.
Marriage record of Johann Hermann Schulte and Maria Gertrud Hagedorn (click to enlarge)
The plot thickened when we got a look at the 11 August 1840 marriage record of our Joseph's parents.
Zimmermann Herm. Schulte geb Meyer in Herzfeld
In the groom's column, Johann Hermann Schulte again had the vulgo Meyer Schulte notation. And in the column identifying the father of the groom, the carpenter [Zimmermann] Hermann Schulte was said to have been born [geb., i.e. geboren] Meyer in Herzfeld. Now we're getting somewhere, I thought, and hastened to order the Herzfeld microfilm.
On this map of Kreis Beckum, the arrow points to Herzfeld. Beckum Stadt and Wadersloh are highlighted. (click to enlarge)
The bride, Maria Gertrud Hagedorn, was identified as the illegitimate daughter of Elisabeth Hagedorn of Wadersloh (spelled Watersloh in this record), so I ordered the Wadersloh microfilm too, which, as it turned out, provided some key information.
December 1820 birth (13th) and christening (14th) record of Maria Gertrud Hagedorn - Wadersloh, Germany (click to enlarge)
When you look at the enlarged view of this record, you will see that light notations have been added to several of the entries in this churchbook, including the one for Maria Gertrud Hagedorn, Joseph Meyer Schulte's mother.
[?] Beckum 11 8 1840 mit [J Herm?] Schulte get. Herzfeld, 14.12.1788
To the best of my interpretive abilities, this light notation indicates that Maria Gertrud was married in Beckum on 11 August 1840 to Johann Hermann Schulte, who was christened [getauft] in Herzfeld on 14 December 1788. We have already seen the marriage record (above), and we'll get to that Herzfeld christening record in a moment, but before we leave this document, we might as well have a quick look at the other notation.
Elisabeth Hagedorn, Maria Gertrud's mother [getauft?] 22 7 1798
Although this notation is very hard to read, a search for Elisabeth's christening record did turn up this entry for a Clara Elisabeth Hagedorn on 22 July 1798.
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Now, about that Herzfeld christening record. I was excited to have found the date cross-referenced in the Wadersloh churchbook, and when I got to the Herzfeld microfilm, I went straight to the record.
1788 christening record of Johan Hermann Meÿer Herzfeld, Germany (click to enlarge)
As expected, the record was dated 14 December 1788. The surname Schulte, however, does not appear in the record, as was written in the Wadersloh notation. Johan Hermann's father was listed as Johan Herman Meÿer, not Schulte. His mother was listed as Clara Friderici, [illegible] Meÿer. I don't know what the illegible word is. I considered Weduwe (widow), although that doesn't look quite right with that high-rising letter toward the end of the word. And if it were widow, what might the meaning be? That the baby's father Johan Herman had died sometime during her pregnancy? That Johan Herman was perhaps a second husband and, say, brother or cousin of Clara's first husband?
27 November 1778 marriage record of Hermann Meÿer and Clara Friderici (click to enlarge)
Hermann and Clara were married in 1778. Even if she were a widow when she married Hermann, it seems unlikely that she would still be identified as such ten years later in the birth record of a child fathered by Hermann.
21 December 1755 christening record of Maria Clara Friderici (click to enlarge)
Clara was born in December 1755, which means she was just 23 when she married Herman. It's certainly possible that she was a widow at that time, but seems unlikely. In addition, I did not find any prior marriage record to support that theory. The other theory, that Herman died during the time Clara was pregnant with Johan Hermann, lost credibility when I found another christening record.
December 1795 birth (12th) and christening (29th) record of Johann Bernard Meyer (click to enlarge)
I like this record because it supports the idea that Clara and Maria Clara Friderici are one and the same person. But now we have another interesting twist in the Meyer-Schulte surname mystery.
Carl Schulte, natus
The Latin word natus means born. Exactly what is the meaning of this notation, Carl Schulte, natus? Let's add another document to the heap before we proceed. Oops, I mean, let's add another child to this family...
10 December 1791 christening record of Friderica Juliana... Schulte? (click to enlarge)
Between the birth of Johann Hermann and Johann Bernard, a daughter, Friderica Juliana. But what is her surname? The parents are listed as Carl Schulte and Clara Friderici in this record. So, what is this guy's name, anyhow? Let's bring on his christening record and see what we can find out from that.

In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 3: International Affairs

Joseph Meyer Schulte and his niece, Lizzie Schulte
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My grandmother wrote on this photograph, "Grandpa Schulte - Lizzie Schulte, his niece." (Evelyn deliberated over the spelling of niece, as I always do, and went the wrong way with it!) The photo was taken by H.A. Coesfeld of Detroit (rubberstamped on the back of the cardboard mount).

The photo didn't come to me until after Evelyn's death in 1988. My mother wasn't able to tell me anything about this niece, probably because her great grandfather Joseph died in October 1921, a year before she was born. I briefly considered the possibility that Evelyn had made a mistake, and meant to write "Lizzie Schulte, his daughter," but Lizzie the daughter was Evelyn's mother. That certainly doesn't seem like the kind of mistake she would make, even if she was a little forgetful.

I made a very high resolution scan of the photo (720 ppi) to see if I could get a better look at Joseph and his niece, and was surprised with the amount of detail that was available. In the original photo, Lizzie's face is just 1/16" wide, and Joseph's just a tiny bit wider, but still less than 1/8". In the enlargement below, you can clearly see facial expressions, the wrinkles in Joseph's knuckles, and the needlework project that Lizzie is knitting or crocheting. You can also see the house address, 942.

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In May 2005, I emailed a copy of this photo to my Schulte cousin Cheryl, with some questions:
To me, this seems to mean that Joseph Meyer Schulte had a brother who had a daughter named Lizzie, and that she was in Detroit at some point in time. Do you have any more info on that? Something that would shed some light on who this Lizzie is? Do you know whether Joseph had a brother? Do you know who might have had a home address with the number 942?
She didn't, and we began our quest to find the German roots of the Schulte family. You've read quite a bit about that already in Part 1 and Part 2.

The Schulte family immigrated in 1872, and to date, we are not aware that they made any return visit to Germany when Joseph's wife Alvina was still alive. We discovered, however, that after her death in 1902, Joseph did travel back to his homeland, several times, in fact.

(click to enlarge any ship manifest in this post)

In 1904, Joseph returned from a trip to Germany. Although his name appears alone on the ship manifest above, he was not traveling alone. His companion was listed on a different page:

As far as we know, this was the niece Elisabeth's first trip to the U.S. We were convinced that these two records belong to our Schultes because of the destination given in Elisabeth's record: Uncle Joseph Schulte, 942 Forest Ave. E. Str., Detroit, Mich. This is the same house address that appears in our photo of Joseph and niece Lizzie.

Cheryl found another manifest for these two traveling companions in 1906, and once again their destination was 942 Forest Avenue E.

(left side of 1909 manifest)

In 1909, Elisabeth apparently traveled alone to Germany and back. In this record of her return, it's noted that she is a non-immigrant alien, and we were very excited to discover the name of her father, Heinrich Schulte, and even his street address in Hamm, Germany.

(right side of 1909 manifest)

We also learned that Joseph had moved to 1220 Bellevue in Detroit, and we found him and Lizzie enumerated there in the 1910 census.

(left side of 1911 manifest)

All this international travel must have been pretty expensive, don't you think? It seems Joseph was determined to spend our inheritance*, so off they went, he and Lizzie, to Germany again in 1911. I won't say this record of their return is better than an inheritance, but Cheryl and I were seriously excited to learn that Lizzie's mother's name was also Elisabeth, that her father had apparently died since her last trip home, and that her mother was living in Münster.

(right side of 1911 manifest)

What's more, we also learned that Lizzie was born in Hamm, and was 5'7" with blond hair and brown eyes.

Lizzie's father Heinrich was born in Beckum, like his younger siblings including Joseph.

10 March 1841 birth and baptism record of Johann Heinrich Schulte
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Heinrich was one of seven children born to Johann Hermann Meÿer Schulte and his wife, Maria Gertrud Hagedorn.

Hermann was more than three decades older than Gertrud. (Their marriage record appears in Part 2.) It's possible she was not his first wife, but I didn't find any other marriage records for him in the Beckum churchbooks.

1855 death record of Herman Schulte, weaver
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In addition, a Beckum death record which appears to be his indicated he was survived by six living children, all of whom seem to be accounted for in the Family Group Record below. In this entry, the age appears to be off by two and a half years. Herman would have turned 67 in December 1855. However, I didn't find any other death records in the appropriate timeframe, and Gertrud Hagedorn remarried in 1859.

1859 marriage of Heinrich Altepeter and the widow of weaver Herm. Schulte
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Although the marriage record does not show Gertrud's given name, subsequent birth records for the Altepeter children do.


Husband: Johan Hermann MEŸER (also MEŸER SCHULTE)
Born: 14 December 1788 in Herzfeld, Westfalen, Germany
Father: Johan Herman MEŸER
Mother: Maria Clara FRIDERICI
Married: 11 August 1840 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany
Died: 20 May 1855 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany
Burial: 23 May 1855 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany

Wife: Maria Gertrud HAGEDORN
Born: 13 December 1820 in Wadersloh, Westfalen, Germany
Father: unnamed
Mother: Clara Elisabeth HAGEDORN
Second Husband: Heinrich ALTEPETER
Married: 8 February 1859 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany


1 Name: Johann Heinrich SCHULTE
Born: 10 March 1841 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany
[Proposed] Spouse: Elisabeth ---
[Proposed] Died: About 1910 in Westfalen, Germany

2 Name: Joseph (Meyer) SCHULTE
Born: 7 February 1843 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany
Married: About 1866 in Germany
Spouse: Alvina Tobian
Died: 16 October 1921 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan
Burial: 18 October 1921 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan

3 Name: Johann Theodor SCHULTE
Born : 10 January 1846 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany

4 Name: Maria Christina SCHULTE
Born: 6 February 1849 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany

5 Name: Louise (Ludewica) SCHULTE
Born: 9 January 1851 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany
Died: 31 January 1851 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany

6 Name: Maria Gertrud SCHULTE
Born: 22 December 1851 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany

7 Name: Franz SCHULTE
Born: 11 December 1853 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany


1 Name: Stephan ALTEPETER
Born: 21 August 1859 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany

2 Name: Anna Elisabeth ALTEPETER
Born: 19 November 1861 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany

3 Name: Johan Heinrich ALTEPETER
Born: 28 October 1865 in Beckum, Westfalen, Germany


But wait! There's more! Coming up in Part 4! Boy, were we surprised! Just wait till you learn what Cheryl found when she sorted through a box of papers!

Do you have any suspicions yet? Any interesting theories or hypotheses? You might. You could. The groundwork has been laid.


*My grandmother used to say that Grandpa Schulte came to this country with fifty cents and died with $100,000, leaving $20,000 to each of his children and $2,000 to each of his grandchildren. He must have been very successful in his various occupations: blacksmith, moneylender, insurance agent, and real estate agent.


Carnival of Genealogy: Surnames

The 28th Edition of the Carnival of Genealogy has been posted by Jasia at Creative Gene. The topic Surnames has drawn a great and inspired response. Don't miss it!

In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 4: Mystery or Soap Opera? You Decide!

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Our story so far:
Part 1, in which the Bloodhound Cousins discover the German hometown of our Meyer-Schulte ancestors,
Part 2, in which we perch a fresh bunch of Schulte, Hagedorn, and Friderici ancestors in the distal branches of our Familienbaum, and
Part 3, in which we figure out where the mysterious niece Lizzie Schulte came from, but then she disappears.
Who among us can let sleeping ancestors lie? Probably nobody who's reading this. Certainly not Cheryl and I. Our great great grandfather's niece Lizzie Schulte was in her mid-30s in 1911, the year of the last document we found with her name on it. Did she move back to Germany? Die young? Get married? Cheryl and I speculated a bit, but we were clueless.

Clueless, that is, until we discovered that Cheryl has been sitting on a key piece of our Schulte puzzle for decades. It was exactly what we needed in order to see the whole eye-poppin' picture. Here, read over our shoulder:

Cheryl emailed me:
I had my mother sort out two huge boxes full of my Schulte materials. She worked on it all day. In the end we had 15 piles, one pile for each family group - Joseph & Alvina, Rudolph & Juliane, Elmer & Ella, etc.

Some things I found bear sharing with you, and maybe you will have some ideas on this. I typed 5 family group sheets that all show Josephine [a granddaughter of Joseph Meyer Schulte by his daughter Ida] as the source. On March 18, 1981, Josephine told me that her grandfather Joseph had a brother who had 3 children that she knew of and their names were Elizabeth, known as Lizzie, Mary and Rosa - in that order - Lizzie oldest, then Mary and then Rosa. Elizabeth, Mary and Rosa were all born in Germany. Remember that photo you have of Joseph and a young girl sitting on the porch of an old house? We wondered about that at the time and here is the answer. She was indeed his niece and the daughter of his brother, and also sister to Mary and Rosa. Now WHICH brother of Joseph, I wonder. All those Beckum records we found showed siblings of our Joseph, but which one could be the father of these 3?

Josephine told me that she didn't know if this niece Lizzie ever married. She said that the daughter Rosa married (Josephine didn't know Rosa's husband's name) and had a son named Eric...

[Readers, what's that sound? Is the name Eric ringing any bells for you?]

...and she said that the middle daughter Mary was married to Herman Koenig and they had a son Paul H. Koenig who married your Marceline (Corneilson). Is that right? Was Paul Koenig's mother a Schulte, also??? I just looked back on all your Koenig posts in Before My Time and you DO mention Paul's father as being a Herman Koenig but I don't see any mention of who his mother was. Do you know? Is it possible this information from Jo is correct? That Paul's mother was a Mary Schulte, niece of our Joseph???

And I emailed her back:
Holy cats, Paul's mother, a Schulte!! Well, I have no idea about any of this, I've never heard it before. I have never heard what her name was, nor anything about her being related to the Schultes, but I suppose it's possible. Paul's immigration record says he was from Buer which was where his father lived. I did not find it in my German road atlas, but I did find a Büren which appears to be only about 50 km from Beckum.

Hey, in the Hebert post, there is a census showing Paul's brother Alfons staying with his aunt and uncle, Fred and ELIZABETH Hebert, and Elizabeth was from Germany and maybe she was Lizzie Schulte the niece???? Alfons' mother's sister???? AND in the census with the nephew Alfons staying with them, they have another German nephew staying with them named ERICH Roehrken!!!

Oh, my, you and I together are a genealogical force to be reckoned with!! I bet this is how Paul and Marceline met! They were COUSINS!!
That was the Aha! moment in our Schulte research. Did you see it coming? (My grandmother would have known all this, of course, but my interest in family history, which really burgeoned in 1987 when I discovered how to organize it with genealogy forms, came too late.)

I sent off for Paul's death certificate, and there it was in black & white:

Paul Herman Koenig, son of Herman Koenig and Maria Schulte
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From Lizzie's 1909 ship manifest, we learned that her father was Heinrich Schulte. And we did indeed have a Beckum birth record for Heinrich Schulte, our Joseph's brother, both of which you read about in Part 3 of this series.

Readers as eagle-eyed as Cheryl might have discovered another piece of the puzzle (which I so cleverly hid in plain sight!) in Two Mrs. and a Frau. There were actually zwei Frauen of interest in Maria Koenig's 1950 ship manifest. Listed directly above Maria is her sister, Rosina Rorken, also traveling to Detroit. Her destination was surely the home of her son, Erich.

Next, we need to unearth a few things, such as:
  • a Detroit city directory listing for Erich Roehrken at 13939 Rochelle ca. 1950
  • the date of Elizabeth Hebert's death (or where she is buried), so we can order a death certificate which may show that her father was Heinrich Schulte, or...
  • the marriage record (where? when?) of Fred and Elizabeth Hebert, which should also name her parents
  • German churchbooks documenting the marriage of Heinrich Schulte and the births of his three daughters (and possibly others)
Readers who can shed any light on this topic, please use the Comments feature at the bottom of this post to contact me. Include your email address for a personal response. Any comment containing an email address or other personal contact information will not be published to the blog.

In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 5: The Clues in Evelyn's Notes

It's a pity my grandmother Evelyn didn't have pedigree charts and family group sheets to fill out. She would have been a great family historian. She hung onto old photos, clippings, memorial cards, and lots of old bits of paper on which she'd written notes to herself. I don't think she trusted her memory. In conversations, she often sampled her way through several first names before she hit upon the one that actually applied to the person she was addressing. She did her best to outwit the Alzheimer's that would creep up on her in her later years, and keeping notes was her best strategy.

In this post, we'll look at two of the records she created, both of which will help in our effort to discover and document the family ties of our immigrant ancestor, Joseph Meyer Schulte.

The first is Evelyn's list of deceased friends and relatives, shown below. Numbers 1-23 on the list, written in pencil, appear to have been the original list. The entries are not sequential, and the latest date in that portion of the list is 1963. Number 24, written in dark blue ink, was probably added in June 1964, as another list was started on the back of the paper in the same ink, noting the birth of a new family member about a week later. Numbers 25-28, in green ink, were probably added shortly after the death of Evelyn's husband, Rosmer P. Kerr, in 1969.

In the previous Schulte post, I listed some items needed to help further our work on Lizzie Hebert and her connection to the Schulte family, and Evelyn's list provides a clue for finding one of our needs, Lizzie Hebert's death certificate. Lizzie is number 13 in the list, and Evelyn noted that Lizzie's date of death was in 1963. Although not specific, this date is probably pretty accurate as far as it goes, being the latest date on the pencil portion of the list. We still hope to find Lizzie's grave with a date specific enough to send for the death certificate, and having this date will help to assure us we've found the right Lizzie Hebert in the event she's not buried with her husband Fred. And if we can't locate the grave, which is surely in Detroit, this approximate date may help us find a church record.

Evelyn Kerr's list of deceased friends and relatives
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In the transcription below, my corrections and clarifications appear in brackets.
  1. Mr. Grosscup
  2. Mrs. Grosscup
  3. Allen Paarlburg [Allan Paarlberg]
  4. Mr. Paarlburg
  5. Clara Kerr - Mar 26, 1958
  6. Milton Kerr - Arp 3, '61 [Apr 3, 1961]
  7. Mamie Tracy - Feb 14, 58 [Feb 14, 1958]
  8. Harold Tracy - 1957
  9. Marselene [Marceline Koenig] - Aug 26, 1962
  10. Rilla [Aucoin] - Dec 27, 1962
  11. Arthur Meyer - Dec 1962
  12. Mr. Fred Hebert
  13. Mrs. Lizzie " [Hebert] - 1963
  14. Harry Kurtz
  15. Hugo Kurtz
  16. Hugo Son [?]
  17. Aunt Adda [Adda Isenberg Kerr 1869-1953]; Aunt Alice [Alice Kerr Howe 1869-1960]
  18. Miss Talbert [sp? Talbot, Talbut, Tallent]
  19. Warren Parker
  20. Paul North
  21. Mrs. Lewis
  22. Mrs. O'Toole
  23. Herman Stolzenfeldt
  24. Jim Sandercott - June 8, 1964
  25. Paul Koenig - Apr 19, 1966
  26. Elmer Schulte - Died 1968, Born Aug 1894
  27. Karl Parker - Feb 1, 1969, Born 1917 [died Jan 30, 1969, buried Feb 1, 1969]
  28. R. P. Kerr - Feb 9, 1969, Born Sept 30, 1892
  29. Hugo Prietz - 1967 [This entry was written on the back in green ink.]
The second resource we'll look at is an address book. The addresses for which no city or state is given were in Detroit, where Evelyn lived at the time she created this record. Most of the those entries have a circled number which was Evelyn's notation of the postal zone, e.g. Detroit 5, Mich. (Use of the 5-digit ZIP Code didn't begin until July 1963.)

I believe this record dates from early 1944, based on the page 2 address of her son-in-law, Karl Parker, who was then stationed at Camp Haan in California. Readers of this blog have already seen a Camp Haan letter from Karl dated February 1944. Two more addresses for Karl were added later to this book (see Images 11 & 12) when his unit relocated.

In Image 8, you'll see Evelyn's listing of Mrs. Fred Hebert at 13939 Rochelle in Detroit. This nicely ties up any doubt we might have had about whether Rosina Rorken, traveling companion of Maria Schulte Koenig, was actually the third of the Schulte sisters who were, according to Josephine Sandercott, nieces of Joseph Meyer Schulte. I had earlier assumed Rosina was going to stay with her son, Erich Roehrken. So much the better, for our purposes, that Rosina's stated destination, 13939 Rochelle, was the address of Lizzie Hebert. Surely these three, Rosina, Maria, and Lizzie, are the sisters Josephine spoke of. With this information, I am convinced that Joseph's niece Lizzie Schulte and Mrs. Fred Hebert are one and the same person.

Image 1
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Josephine Staniewicz, Mary Allen, Al Kallil, Mary Czarneski, Mary Slawek

Image 2
Mrs. Hazel Parker, Cpl. K.F. [Karl Franklin] Parker, Pvt. Harry Sandercock

PFC John T. Loftus, Pvt. Marvin S. Jackson, Mont Bowman

Image 3
Mary (Marion) Cromor, Margarette Chandler, Catherine Olshefski, Martha Hakkinen, Dorothy Crawford
Jennie Calamia, Agnes Witkowski, Pearl Wherrett, Alberta Cornelious, Grace Bright

Image 4
Viola Meyers, Julia Polka, Philliss Szzypinski, Dorothy Williams, Loretta Bennett

Irene Smith, Cecile Urkenik, Ione Lockwood, Merrel Bolyard, Martha Kapica

Image 5
Earline Ziegler, Dorine Davis, Miriam Kinney, Nona Jones, Lois Knight

Willie H. Rouels, Isabel Earley, Susie Arnold, Josephine Anderson, Adda Carpenter

Image 6
Mrs. E. Norling, Gladys-Elsie-(Butch), Hazel Murler, Ida Magneson, John Alef (Dad)

Emil Erickson, Leonard Chartier (Frenchy), Mrs. John Loftus, Mrs. L. Grosscup, Lilly Heaman

Image 7
Mrs. Wm. Ross - Irene, Mrs. John Lyons, Leo Lyons, Mrs. H.W. Gould, Mamie Tracey [Tracy]

Mrs. Jos. Prince, Mrs. Milton E. Kerr, Mrs. Harry Kurtz, Carl & Blanche Schulte,
Jos. Sandercott

Image 8
Lincoln Russell, Ted Schulte, Mrs. E. Oestman, Mrs. Jack O'Toole, Mickey McLean

Mrs. Elmer Schulte, Mrs. Fred Hebert, Mrs. E. McDonald, Mrs. L. Berg, Mrs. Wm. Bergman

Image 9
Mrs. Laniewski, Mrs. Roy Urbin, Mrs. Ralph Seeley, Mr. & Mrs. Wiess [Weiss?],
Mrs. Louis Berg

Zona Gaulden, Lula Osborne, Jennette Duke, Beatrice Darrow, Elsie Siebert

Image 10
Sarah Pittie, Pearl Wilsman, Minnie Grable, Eva Mae Jones, Verlie Bowling

Hettie Gibson, Mrs. Jessie Keatton, Mrs. Pearl Hurlbut, Marceline Koenig

Image 11
Mary Kerr, Helen Lanewski [Laniewski?], Mrs. Hazel Parker

Corp. Karl F. Parker, PFC John Loftus

Image 12
Johnny Philip [?] Morris, T/5 Karl F. Parker, Hello Sweetheart (Nancy Martin)


Readers may have noticed that some of the listings above include phone numbers which, at that time, began with two letters. For a list of Detroit telephone exchanges and lots of other interesting Detroit trivia, visit Detroit Memories. Phone exchanges are listed in the sidebar a little more than halfway down the page. And you'll find a very informative telephone thread at Discuss Detroit.

In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 6: Got the picture?

Readers who followed the 2007 series In Search of the Schulte Line have doubtless been holding their collective breath in anticipation of the Bloodhound Cousins' next exciting revelation. Let us all now exhale a big happy group sigh over this very cool item we never expected to find: a photograph of Fred Hebert and his wife Lizzie Schulte! That it also bears Fred's signature is an added bonus.

And never mind that it's not an actual photo, but rather a digitization of a reproduction of a photo, and consequently of less than stellar quality. It's the only photo of Fred that we've seen, and we're tickled pink to know what he looked like.

How delightful that Lizzie is in the picture too! We've seen her before (on the porch with our great-great grandfather Joseph Meyer Schulte in Part 3 of this series), but Cheryl and I are quite happy to see our first cousin, three times removed, in this portrait with her husband.

And as if that alone were not enough, this picture came to us as part of the Heberts' 1921 passport application, which I happened to find when I was poking around in Ancestry Library Edition earlier this week. Use the link in the previous sentence to view or download a PDF of the application. It's very informative, and includes a deposition attesting to Fred's U.S. citizenship signed by Cheryl's great-grandfather, Rudolph Schulte.

I was so excited to find such a great document that I had to email it to Cheryl immediately, right from the library.

And, of course, that's not the end of the story.

In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 7: A Boatload of Float Documents

Fred and Elisabeth Hebert on July 1921 passenger list
returning to the U.S. from Rotterdam, The Netherlands

(click to enlarge)

As you'll recall from Part 3 of this series, cousin Elizabeth Schulte was named on no less than four lists of passengers arriving in the U.S. from Germany, these being dated 1904, 1906, 1909, and 1911. Her disappearance from subsequent passenger lists was instrumental in leading the Bloodhound Cousins to the conclusion that Elizabeth Schulte had become Mrs. Fred Hebert at some point after 1911.

Cheryl had also found a passenger list which named Fred Hebert and Elizabeth Hebert arriving from European travels in July 1921. As we now know, that trip took place just a couple months after they'd submitted the passport application I found earlier this week. That passport, no. 146950, was noted on the passenger list. On the application, Fred had stated that they would be departing the U.S. on 30 April 1921 aboard the New Amsterdam, and that they intended to visit Holland, France and England. Fred turned 50 on March 28th of that year; the trip may have been in celebration of that milestone birthday. (Although this passenger list shows March 29th as the birthdate, the passport application says March 28th.)

Elizabeth Hebert on the June 1936 passenger list
returning to the U.S. from Bremen
(click to enlarge)

On our next passenger list, it appears Elizabeth was traveling alone under a new passport, no. 256333, issued 20 February 1936. She'd been to Germany, and left Bremen on the S.S. Bremen on June 23rd of that year and arrived at New York June 29th.

Cheryl and I wondered why Fred was not traveling with her. We considered that he may have died, as he would have been 65 years of age in 1936. However, although we searched, we were unable to find any death records from the likely Detroit cemeteries, and had no way of ordering a death certificate without knowing a date. We also searched in the available city directories. We did find him listed in some editions subsequent to 1936, but we felt that wasn't conclusive either way. His name appeared on my grandmother's list of deceased family and friends, but she hadn't noted a date.

As luck would have it, only minutes after I'd found the 1921 passport application, I found yet another ship manifest naming the Heberts:

Fred and Elizabeth Hebert on the June 1957 passenger list
sailing first class to the U.S. from Bremerhaven, Germany
(click to enlarge)

Both Elizabeth and Fred had traveled to Germany under yet another passport, no. 444492, and had arrived back in the U.S. on 17 June, 1957. Still alive and kickin', Fred had turned 86 years old that year.

Oh, how I'd love to see those other two passport photos!


You'll find a spreadsheet detailing all known Schulte family passenger arrival lists at The Vertical File.

Our Family in Books: A Bibliography

  • My Ancestors in Books (a library of resources and notes pertaining to Reverend Samuel Stone, Major General Robert Sedgwick, Elder John Crandall, and other early Americans in the forest where my family tree was grown)
  • The Zahnisers: A History of the Family in America by Kate M. Zahniser and Charles Reed Zahniser (Mercer, Pa. 1906)
  • History of St. James Lutheran Church [full title: A little of this and a little of that in the 141 year (1861-2002) History of St. James Lutheran Church, Reynolds Indiana] by Harold B. Dodge, published at Reynolds, Indiana, 2002; 170 pages.
  • Lisbon, North Dakota 1880-2005 Quasuicentennial, published at Lisbon, North Dakota in 2005; 391 pages.
  • The Paschen and Redd Families of Cass County, Indiana by Alfred Paschen, c. 2005 (Gateway Press, Inc., Baltimore, MD); 322 pages.
  • Sheldon Community History: Sheldon Centennial 1881-1981, published at Sheldon, North Dakota in 1981; 376 pages.
  • Sheldon, North Dakota 1881-2006 - 125th Anniversary: The Queen of the Prairie, published at Sheldon, North Dakota in 2006; 498 pages.
  • A Standard History of White County, Indiana, written under the supervision of W.H. Hamelle, c. 1915 (The Lewis Publishing Company, Chicago and New York).
  • The Roots of Coventry, Connecticut by Betty Brook Messier and Janet Sutherland Aronson, c. 1987 (Coventry 275th Anniversary Committee, Coventry, CT); 206 pages.
  • "Elder John Crandall of Rhode Island and His Descendants" by John Cortland Crandall; New Woodstock, New York, 1949; 797 pages.
  • "The Descendants of Robert Burdick of Rhode Island." Nellie (Willard) Johnson, Pd.B.: H & L Creations, LLC.

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