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Saturday, October 21, 2017

In Search of the Schulte Line, Part 5: The Clues in Evelyn's Notes

It's a pity my grandmother Evelyn didn't have pedigree charts and family group sheets to fill out. She would have been a great family historian. She hung onto old photos, clippings, memorial cards, and lots of old bits of paper on which she'd written notes to herself. I don't think she trusted her memory. In conversations, she often sampled her way through several first names before she hit upon the one that actually applied to the person she was addressing. She did her best to outwit the Alzheimer's that would creep up on her in her later years, and keeping notes was her best strategy.

In this post, we'll look at two of the records she created, both of which will help in our effort to discover and document the family ties of our immigrant ancestor, Joseph Meyer Schulte.

The first is Evelyn's list of deceased friends and relatives, shown below. Numbers 1-23 on the list, written in pencil, appear to have been the original list. The entries are not sequential, and the latest date in that portion of the list is 1963. Number 24, written in dark blue ink, was probably added in June 1964, as another list was started on the back of the paper in the same ink, noting the birth of a new family member about a week later. Numbers 25-28, in green ink, were probably added shortly after the death of Evelyn's husband, Rosmer P. Kerr, in 1969.

In the previous Schulte post, I listed some items needed to help further our work on Lizzie Hebert and her connection to the Schulte family, and Evelyn's list provides a clue for finding one of our needs, Lizzie Hebert's death certificate. Lizzie is number 13 in the list, and Evelyn noted that Lizzie's date of death was in 1963. Although not specific, this date is probably pretty accurate as far as it goes, being the latest date on the pencil portion of the list. We still hope to find Lizzie's grave with a date specific enough to send for the death certificate, and having this date will help to assure us we've found the right Lizzie Hebert in the event she's not buried with her husband Fred. And if we can't locate the grave, which is surely in Detroit, this approximate date may help us find a church record.

Evelyn Kerr's list of deceased friends and relatives
(click to enlarge)

In the transcription below, my corrections and clarifications appear in brackets.
  1. Mr. Grosscup
  2. Mrs. Grosscup
  3. Allen Paarlburg [Allan Paarlberg]
  4. Mr. Paarlburg
  5. Clara Kerr - Mar 26, 1958
  6. Milton Kerr - Arp 3, '61 [Apr 3, 1961]
  7. Mamie Tracy - Feb 14, 58 [Feb 14, 1958]
  8. Harold Tracy - 1957
  9. Marselene [Marceline Koenig] - Aug 26, 1962
  10. Rilla [Aucoin] - Dec 27, 1962
  11. Arthur Meyer - Dec 1962
  12. Mr. Fred Hebert
  13. Mrs. Lizzie " [Hebert] - 1963
  14. Harry Kurtz
  15. Hugo Kurtz
  16. Hugo Son [?]
  17. Aunt Adda [Adda Isenberg Kerr 1869-1953]; Aunt Alice [Alice Kerr Howe 1869-1960]
  18. Miss Talbert [sp? Talbot, Talbut, Tallent]
  19. Warren Parker
  20. Paul North
  21. Mrs. Lewis
  22. Mrs. O'Toole
  23. Herman Stolzenfeldt
  24. Jim Sandercott - June 8, 1964
  25. Paul Koenig - Apr 19, 1966
  26. Elmer Schulte - Died 1968, Born Aug 1894
  27. Karl Parker - Feb 1, 1969, Born 1917 [died Jan 30, 1969, buried Feb 1, 1969]
  28. R. P. Kerr - Feb 9, 1969, Born Sept 30, 1892
  29. Hugo Prietz - 1967 [This entry was written on the back in green ink.]
The second resource we'll look at is an address book. The addresses for which no city or state is given were in Detroit, where Evelyn lived at the time she created this record. Most of the those entries have a circled number which was Evelyn's notation of the postal zone, e.g. Detroit 5, Mich. (Use of the 5-digit ZIP Code didn't begin until July 1963.)

I believe this record dates from early 1944, based on the page 2 address of her son-in-law, Karl Parker, who was then stationed at Camp Haan in California. Readers of this blog have already seen a Camp Haan letter from Karl dated February 1944. Two more addresses for Karl were added later to this book (see Images 11 & 12) when his unit relocated.

In Image 8, you'll see Evelyn's listing of Mrs. Fred Hebert at 13939 Rochelle in Detroit. This nicely ties up any doubt we might have had about whether Rosina Rorken, traveling companion of Maria Schulte Koenig, was actually the third of the Schulte sisters who were, according to Josephine Sandercott, nieces of Joseph Meyer Schulte. I had earlier assumed Rosina was going to stay with her son, Erich Roehrken. So much the better, for our purposes, that Rosina's stated destination, 13939 Rochelle, was the address of Lizzie Hebert. Surely these three, Rosina, Maria, and Lizzie, are the sisters Josephine spoke of. With this information, I am convinced that Joseph's niece Lizzie Schulte and Mrs. Fred Hebert are one and the same person.

Image 1
(click any image to enlarge)
Josephine Staniewicz, Mary Allen, Al Kallil, Mary Czarneski, Mary Slawek

Image 2
Mrs. Hazel Parker, Cpl. K.F. [Karl Franklin] Parker, Pvt. Harry Sandercock

PFC John T. Loftus, Pvt. Marvin S. Jackson, Mont Bowman

Image 3
Mary (Marion) Cromor, Margarette Chandler, Catherine Olshefski, Martha Hakkinen, Dorothy Crawford
Jennie Calamia, Agnes Witkowski, Pearl Wherrett, Alberta Cornelious, Grace Bright

Image 4
Viola Meyers, Julia Polka, Philliss Szzypinski, Dorothy Williams, Loretta Bennett

Irene Smith, Cecile Urkenik, Ione Lockwood, Merrel Bolyard, Martha Kapica

Image 5
Earline Ziegler, Dorine Davis, Miriam Kinney, Nona Jones, Lois Knight

Willie H. Rouels, Isabel Earley, Susie Arnold, Josephine Anderson, Adda Carpenter

Image 6
Mrs. E. Norling, Gladys-Elsie-(Butch), Hazel Murler, Ida Magneson, John Alef (Dad)

Emil Erickson, Leonard Chartier (Frenchy), Mrs. John Loftus, Mrs. L. Grosscup, Lilly Heaman

Image 7
Mrs. Wm. Ross - Irene, Mrs. John Lyons, Leo Lyons, Mrs. H.W. Gould, Mamie Tracey [Tracy]

Mrs. Jos. Prince, Mrs. Milton E. Kerr, Mrs. Harry Kurtz, Carl & Blanche Schulte,
Jos. Sandercott

Image 8
Lincoln Russell, Ted Schulte, Mrs. E. Oestman, Mrs. Jack O'Toole, Mickey McLean

Mrs. Elmer Schulte, Mrs. Fred Hebert, Mrs. E. McDonald, Mrs. L. Berg, Mrs. Wm. Bergman

Image 9
Mrs. Laniewski, Mrs. Roy Urbin, Mrs. Ralph Seeley, Mr. & Mrs. Wiess [Weiss?],
Mrs. Louis Berg

Zona Gaulden, Lula Osborne, Jennette Duke, Beatrice Darrow, Elsie Siebert

Image 10
Sarah Pittie, Pearl Wilsman, Minnie Grable, Eva Mae Jones, Verlie Bowling

Hettie Gibson, Mrs. Jessie Keatton, Mrs. Pearl Hurlbut, Marceline Koenig

Image 11
Mary Kerr, Helen Lanewski [Laniewski?], Mrs. Hazel Parker

Corp. Karl F. Parker, PFC John Loftus

Image 12
Johnny Philip [?] Morris, T/5 Karl F. Parker, Hello Sweetheart (Nancy Martin)


Readers may have noticed that some of the listings above include phone numbers which, at that time, began with two letters. For a list of Detroit telephone exchanges and lots of other interesting Detroit trivia, visit Detroit Memories. Phone exchanges are listed in the sidebar a little more than halfway down the page. And you'll find a very informative telephone thread at Discuss Detroit.


Jasia said...

What an interesting piece of memorabilia, T.K. I scanned each page hoping to find a connection with my family but couldn't do it. :-(

Great post!

T.K. said...

Aw, Jasia, after finding out Paul and Marceline were cousins, I was thinking the world was a much smaller place! I guess I shouldn't be too surprised though, since Cheryl and I, only a month apart in age, grew up about 20 minutes from each other but never met until last year. By the way, in Image 8, that's Cheryl's grandmother listed right above Lizzie Hebert.

Juliane's granddaughter said...

TK, isn't it amazing how something such as your grandmother's address book would be the clue that would cement our believe about the three Schulte sisters - Lizzie, Maria and Rosina? Little did your grandmother know how valuable her little book would be. She would be pleased for sure. This post is just awesome as is the whole series. The other day (in a rare moment of extra time) I re-read all your posts from day 1. Even though some of the people are unknown to me from your 'other' sides, they are so full of valuable information.

Juliane's granddaughter said...

TK - More thoughts after going through some of MY records - I can verify for you that the address book of Evelyn most certainly dates back to the 1940's. When I saw my grandmother's listing with 11782 Engleside (and Evelyn only listed her as Mrs. Elmer Schulte-NOT Mr. & Mrs. Elmer), I at first thought it was a listing from after my grandfather had passed away in 1968. My grandparents lived at the time of my grandfather's death on Engleside as well but with my Aunt Gertie Kolberg (Ella's sister) and I mistakenly thought that 11782 was that address.

But back in the mid to late 1940's my grandparents did live at 11782 Engleside as Evelyn's book states (Aunt Gertie & Uncle Hugo Kolberg lived down the street a few blocks at 11550 Engleside). In fact when my parents were first married in 1946 they moved to Detroit and lived with my Dad's parents at 11782 Engleside (must have been fun, huh) so the listing in Evelyn's book of 11782 Engleside was most definitely that old.

Further proof is that also, in the early 1950's, my grandparents had a house built on Sprenger in East Detroit and they lived there for many, many years. That is the house I remember and only later in life did they move BACK to 11550 Engleside to live with Aunt Gertie when she was failing.

Great facts you have here for us to have fun with isn't it?

T.K. said...

Thanks for the nice compliment, Cheryl, and also for adding the additional information. I found it very interesting. One of these days you and I will have to plot all of our Detroit people on a Google map, huh?

Our Family in Books: A Bibliography

  • My Ancestors in Books (a library of resources and notes pertaining to Reverend Samuel Stone, Major General Robert Sedgwick, Elder John Crandall, and other early Americans in the forest where my family tree was grown)
  • The Zahnisers: A History of the Family in America by Kate M. Zahniser and Charles Reed Zahniser (Mercer, Pa. 1906)
  • History of St. James Lutheran Church [full title: A little of this and a little of that in the 141 year (1861-2002) History of St. James Lutheran Church, Reynolds Indiana] by Harold B. Dodge, published at Reynolds, Indiana, 2002; 170 pages.
  • Lisbon, North Dakota 1880-2005 Quasuicentennial, published at Lisbon, North Dakota in 2005; 391 pages.
  • The Paschen and Redd Families of Cass County, Indiana by Alfred Paschen, c. 2005 (Gateway Press, Inc., Baltimore, MD); 322 pages.
  • Sheldon Community History: Sheldon Centennial 1881-1981, published at Sheldon, North Dakota in 1981; 376 pages.
  • Sheldon, North Dakota 1881-2006 - 125th Anniversary: The Queen of the Prairie, published at Sheldon, North Dakota in 2006; 498 pages.
  • A Standard History of White County, Indiana, written under the supervision of W.H. Hamelle, c. 1915 (The Lewis Publishing Company, Chicago and New York).
  • The Roots of Coventry, Connecticut by Betty Brook Messier and Janet Sutherland Aronson, c. 1987 (Coventry 275th Anniversary Committee, Coventry, CT); 206 pages.
  • "Elder John Crandall of Rhode Island and His Descendants" by John Cortland Crandall; New Woodstock, New York, 1949; 797 pages.
  • "The Descendants of Robert Burdick of Rhode Island." Nellie (Willard) Johnson, Pd.B.: H & L Creations, LLC.

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